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nickolai



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: You've Got to be Kidding Me Reply with quote

Is there anyone else who thinks it's beyond ridiculous that nobody, not the players, not the table judge, not the other watching judges, not a single member of the assembled crowd caught that Angel of Despair "mistake" in Game 5 of the quarterfinals? Heck, don't tell me the Greek player doesn't even have a single literate friend who could tug the sleeve of one of the many present judges and whisper "hey, that's wrong, AoD is not a may effect?"
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculous in what sense? I get the impression that you're either accusing someone of incompetence, or cheating. Either way, it seems somewhat inappropriate.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mo0gLe wrote:
Ridiculous in what sense? I get the impression that you're either accusing someone of incompetence, or cheating. Either way, it seems somewhat inappropriate.
That's not accurate. He's accusing at least ten and probably closer to two hundred given "single member of the assembled crowd" of same.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With pressures spotlights and excitement, i've seen a group of 2 magic players, 15 spectators and 2 judges, miss a pithing needle preventing the last 2 damage being dealt to someone in a grinder for a nationals. It happens, it's weird but it happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly I think the community at large is handling it very well by not talking about it. Kibler played very well and had a very techy deck tuned to beat the expected field. It is not fair to him for people to cause a big stir and taint his victory by crediting it to cheating or "bad judging."

Yes, a trigger was missed by everyone present. Yes, if that trigger would have resolved Kibler probably wouldn't have won his match. These slip ups happen in the game, and sometimes results are changed by the mistake. But the result is in the books, it's over now. There doesn't have to be an asterisk next to his PT title.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a tendency for people to think the same things at the same time. The stronger the players the more likely they are thinking the same. I've seen chess grandmasters do it, professional bridge players, dan level go players, then afterwards some complete amature will say "why didn't...." and everybody facepalms.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a PTQ top 8 I saw a Baneslayer Angel get Crip Swapped. Twice. There were about 30 people and 3 judges watching. I was actually playing a side EDH game and came over to watch and by the time I got there, the Angel was already removed.

I just stared around in shock and finally someone said something. I have a tendency to interject in games I'm watching that I just walked in on, only to look like an awkward idiot, so I kept my mouth shut.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a curse called the kibbler charm.

he also managed to get his opponnent to tell him he did not sideboard in the semifinals
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosh N Roll wrote:
Frankly I think the community at large is handling it very well by not talking about it. Kibler played very well and had a very techy deck tuned to beat the expected field. It is not fair to him for people to cause a big stir and taint his victory by crediting it to cheating or "bad judging."

Yes, a trigger was missed by everyone present. Yes, if that trigger would have resolved Kibler probably wouldn't have won his match. These slip ups happen in the game, and sometimes results are changed by the mistake. But the result is in the books, it's over now. There doesn't have to be an asterisk next to his PT title.


I don't think anyone is questioning his win. Sure he probably wouldn't have, but that is in the past and shouldn't be changed.

What does matter is that there is something to be learned and to watch for in the future. By not talking about it, we are only hindering our future progress.
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