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Scouseboy
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 Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: Discuss: The Magic Show #139 Reborn Spoiler Time! |
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| This thread is for the discussion of Evan Erwin's latest article, The Magic Show #139 Reborn Spoiler Time!. Where does this article's strategy or logic break down? Could it have used work? What did you like about it? Go to, folks! |
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tongonation
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: "meddling mage" |
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| The fact that the meddling mage doesn't have pikula on it is reprehensible. It was his PRIZE for winning the invitational. A no money tournament, for no points, with the reward being you got "you own card," which wizards has seen fit to take from Chris, despite his, well, winning and designing it. This is, how shall we say, horsepockey. Sorry. Horsesh*t. |
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Ben Bleiweiss
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: "meddling mage" |
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| tongonation wrote: | | The fact that the meddling mage doesn't have pikula on it is reprehensible. It was his PRIZE for winning the invitational. A no money tournament, for no points, with the reward being you got "you own card," which wizards has seen fit to take from Chris, despite his, well, winning and designing it. This is, how shall we say, horsepockey. Sorry. Horsesh*t. |
Was there a similar complaint when they released the judge foil Meddling Mage, sans Pikula?
While I can totally understand you jumping to the defense of a friend, I'd like to hear Chris's opinion before going up-in-arms about this (and fairly, you may have already had this discussion with Chris, Jon). Either way, Chris - your thoughts?
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chrispikula
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
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Kyle_Sanchez
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Damn Chris, they did you dirty on that one.
A Meddling Mage indeed. |
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baddotcom
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
Thats a pretty strong statement there. I imagine even without your face, this will revive a little bit of your 'legend'.
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sin_plague
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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any time I cast it, I'm still going to say "casting pikula"
hope that makes you feel better chris... sorry man.. bad beats
evan... did you not consider trying to interview pikula about the new art? think that might've been something people would've liked to see |
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Ben Bleiweiss
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
And there you have it! Thanks Chris. It's a particularly thorny bush to presume that an issue should or shouldn't be a cause for outrage, especially when it is up to one person whether or not outrage exists at the source. In this case, you, since this was your prize, and while Jon has every right in the world to be upset about this as well, my own opinions are swayed more by your own personal reaction, if that makes sense.
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Elemental_Man
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: |
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while i think the art for meddling mage is amazing, i think that it should most definitely have had chris somewhere in it, i mean he won the invitational and earned the prize of his mug on a card, so why not keep him on it, i mean kai's card was printed twice (onslaught and then TS, which had the same art as the prome) and both of them had his likeness on it, so it seems like it wouldnt be too hard to get him on it.
BDM spoiled the pridemaster today, and on top of the rest of the abilities that evan has, it ALSO has EXALTED.....hmmm, seems really good. Hes also a wizard, which i think is funny at the very least.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| the new meddling mage sounds like a good candidate for those people who do artistic alterations... |
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DraconisUK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| I for sure will be rocking nothing but Planeshift Meddling Mages. |
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| Thanks Glenn Goddard...I luvs me some STATES. |
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pdorn1
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
I understand that you feel insulted, but for a second think with logic and not emotion. You are on the art for the original Meddling Mage, the Planeshift version that everyone hoards. Not too shabby, I would say. Some people might like a different art, though, and they got their wish. Also, and I don't intend to sound rude, you did design the card but once you gave that design to WotC it became their property, and they can do anything they wish with it after that. |
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chrispikula
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| pdorn1 wrote: | | chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
I understand that you feel insulted, but for a second think with logic and not emotion. You are on the art for the original Meddling Mage, the Planeshift version that everyone hoards. Not too shabby, I would say. Some people might like a different art, though, and they got their wish. Also, and I don't intend to sound rude, you did design the card but once you gave that design to WotC it became their property, and they can do anything they wish with it after that. |
Of course they can do what they want. That isn't the issue. I'm not saying they aren't allowed to do what they did. |
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smcke0wn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| pdorn1 wrote: | | chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
I understand that you feel insulted, but for a second think with logic and not emotion. You are on the art for the original Meddling Mage, the Planeshift version that everyone hoards. Not too shabby, I would say. Some people might like a different art, though, and they got their wish. Also, and I don't intend to sound rude, you did design the card but once you gave that design to WotC it became their property, and they can do anything they wish with it after that. |
It's true, they can. And one of the things they can do is reprint it using its same original art, or at least put Chris' likeness in the style guide for the artist to come up with a new rendition. None of these things happened, though, despite the fact that they could have. Arguing that it's their card and their property is all well and good, but here they are setting a precedent for what will happen if an Invitational-winner's card gets reprinted, and it's not the precedent that makes everyone happy. |
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OGB
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| pdorn1 wrote: | | chrispikula wrote: | You'd like to hear my opinion?
I'm totally disgusted. It makes me sick. I feel like WOTC is basically spitting in my face. I could write a fancier response but that pretty much sums it up. I'm sad and angry. |
I understand that you feel insulted, but for a second think with logic and not emotion. You are on the art for the original Meddling Mage, the Planeshift version that everyone hoards. Not too shabby, I would say. Some people might like a different art, though, and they got their wish. Also, and I don't intend to sound rude, you did design the card but once you gave that design to WotC it became their property, and they can do anything they wish with it after that. |
From a very pragmatic standpoint, yes, you are correct. However, there is something to be said for "legacy" of the card. Not counting promos or timeshifted cards, this is the first Invitational card to be reprinted in a new set, IIRC. It was a great opportunity for WOTC to pay tribute to the now-defunct tournament by reviving a bit of its history. Using Chris' image would help new players get to learn about the past, stories can be remembered and told, and a piece of Magic's lore gets to live on (sorry if I sound like a bit of a sentimentalist).
I'd be very interested to know the reason behind the new artwork and if using Chris' likeness was even discussed, although I'm sure it was. It's disappointing to see something so special tainted a bit.
Edit: Double Sarnath'ed!!
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chrispikula
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| rainguy wrote: | | OGB wrote: | From a very pragmatic standpoint, yes, you are correct. However, there is something to be said for "legacy" of the card. Not counting promos or timeshifted cards, this is the first Invitational card to be reprinted in a new set, IIRC. It was a great opportunity for WOTC to pay tribute to the now-defunct tournament by reviving a bit of its history. Using Chris' image would help new players get to learn about the past, stories can be remembered and told, and a piece of Magic's lore gets to live on (sorry if I sound like a bit of a sentimentalist).
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Avalanche Riders was a purple timeshift, so the issue of different art didn't have to come up. |
They had wanted to do a time-shifted original art Meddling Mage in TSP block, but Meddling Mage was too brutal for Suspend cards. |
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SaumZ
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I really don't care if there is new art or not, I am a fan of the original cards when reprints happen.
I will be proudly playing my planeshift meddling mages. |
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jjness
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Chris and everyone else here. Even though I've played Magic for more than a decade, when Meddling Mage came out, I was learning that Magic can be played at a higher level than kitchen tables. There were pros out there, playing under the spotlight, and earning their face on a card! Only later did I learn that they even designed the card!
With Kastle and Finkel seeing reprints in Time Spiral with original art, WotC could and should have kept true to Pikula's original. The Kai reprint was because Voidmage looked like a pregnant cow, so that it was very good of WotC to fix that error.
If the other invitational cards are ever reprinted with the same art, there's all the more reason to be upset!
(The new art might have done really well on an instant that granted a creature or player protection from something, instead... it's amazing art, just not on this card). |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| chrispikula wrote: | | rainguy wrote: | | OGB wrote: | From a very pragmatic standpoint, yes, you are correct. However, there is something to be said for "legacy" of the card. Not counting promos or timeshifted cards, this is the first Invitational card to be reprinted in a new set, IIRC. It was a great opportunity for WOTC to pay tribute to the now-defunct tournament by reviving a bit of its history. Using Chris' image would help new players get to learn about the past, stories can be remembered and told, and a piece of Magic's lore gets to live on (sorry if I sound like a bit of a sentimentalist).
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Avalanche Riders was a purple timeshift, so the issue of different art didn't have to come up. |
They had wanted to do a time-shifted original art Meddling Mage in TSP block, but Meddling Mage was too brutal for Suspend cards. |
So they printed Teferi instead. 
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ReAnimator420
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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@chrispikula
Did you feel the judge foil one was also a spit in the face or was that different circumstances in your opinion? I'm just curious.
I'm not going to play anything but the Planeshift ones myself and i'm going to refer to all of them as Pikula's, regardless of art.
and just so we are all clear this isn't some form of fake rage to cover up for the fact that you did indeed get a sex change and are now part of an extreme witness protection plan right? 
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beefstew144
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Why isn't anyone talking about Qasali Pridemage? Such an amazing card! Half of people are angry about it and the other half are amazed by it! I personally love it and it gives me some great flexibility. I feel like it's great without the sac ability. With the sac ability it's just amazing!
Oh, and Evan had it close but he just produced the video a little too early.
The card is actually this:
Qasali Pridemage GW
Creature - Cat Wizard
Common
Exalted
1, Sacrifice Qasali Pridemage:
Destroy target artifact or enchantment
2/2
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Hcane_Andrew
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, having collected the Planeshift ones, they're the ones I'd be most likely to break out and play in a current tournament. I'm certain that I'm not alone.
If anything, the reprint of Meddling Mage should see a dramatic increase in the value of your original card, Chris. Being playable in Standard for 2 full years and regaining status to be played in Extended once again means we'll be seeing your face much more frequently than we otherwise would.
I can understand being upset about not being featured in the new card-art, but I hope it turns out to be a benefit to you in the end.
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rickiep00h
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I got a Planeshift set when Invasion/Odyssey blocks rotated, for a little more than $30, without any hope that it would be reprinted.
Don't worry, Pikula, I'll still be rocking the originals.
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schrecklich
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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I think Meddling Mage definitely deserved an art upgrade, but I don't see why the new one shouldn't have had Pikula on it.
Nice show, Evan. I'm not of a fan of your preview card. If I have five power guys and they're going to the graveyard, five life isn't going to make me better about it. Still, it's far from unplayable. |
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