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    The forgotten lore of proxification (56k beware)

    As several people requested it I decided to both create a dedicated thread for proxies, as well as a tutorial explaining my techniques. As for the location of the thread, I feel it is more appropriate in Vintage since pimpage amateurs seem have been the most interested in the "art" of alteration, with the famous extreme alteration of Terese Nielsen on FoW, of Ron Spencer on YawWill, and of Vroman & Chang on popular smokestack keycards

    The tools
    - Professional markers (used by ron spencer, and most people), topdown n price : copic, tria pantone, prismacolors and scratchies
    - Paint : mainly acrylic (can use watercolor for backgrounds). Cheap but difficult to master +to do the details
    - Technical pens (isograph by rotring) or very thin permanent markers to ink the sketch after the colors
    - felt pens or pencils for those who have limited funds (not crashtest )

    Links
    - A selection of the best proxies on the thread (curtesy of Slapjack ), as of dec07
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHhhQOnkBBM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4QUNHx7ChI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-nJwPLzjo
    - Vroman Tutorial (also a link to all his alterations)
    - Mono79's guide to foil proxies on old frame
    - Yawg's guide to black-bordering your cards
    - foolycooly6969's guide to foil proxies on new frame ( it works though careful though since the foil layer is extremely fragile afterwards...it probably requires some kind of varnish )
    - Awaiting Yawg07 amazing foil guide
    - A Yawg07 guide to inking cards properly

    MY METHOD (coloring methods may vary but the rest is now fairly common)
    1. Erase the card (15 min)
    Using tape to protect the black borders and area you don't want to erase, I have to techniques to erase the card.
    - first one is sandpaper to remove color + eraser to smooth surface. It's a bit messy but the result is a nice white card with a high grain surface that can be convinent to use felt-pens
    - second method is well-known, use a cotton soaked with acetone/nail solvant. The result is a very smooth surface. In my opinion the drawback is that non-permanent pens or pencils may not penetrate enough this surface. However I used this method hereafter




    2. Draw the scene (30 min)
    Simple yet very important step. I draw the scene using a regular carbon pencil (HB, french norm). Be light-handed so you won't need to erase later. You can begin to create shadows as well.



    3. Underline with a black permanent pen (30 min)
    Depending on the art this step may be optional. However I nearly always underline important strokes in order to tune previous drawing & enhance contrast for foreground elements. If you watch closely at most "paintings" (ex : rebecca [Censored]'s arts), there is no underlining. Underlining tends to create a "comics" feeling so use wisely.


    4. Color (30 min)
    Here a wide range of techniques will be used. I think prismacolors & scratchies give a very good result with relatively easy blending of the colors. However I use most of the time colored feltpens,

    colored pencils,

    and watercolors

    Sometimes I use silver/gold/copper pens for metallic effect...but you can use anything provided you're comfortable with it.

    5. Finish (10 min)
    Add the last elements,
    - card title (with permanent pen)
    - casting cost (erase existing casting cost by scratching the inside of the mana symbol it with a razorblade, redraw)
    - underline borders if needed


    Et voilà


    I know a lot of other people here use differents techniques, YawG has an amazing way to create foil cards, and most of you use prismacolors or scratchies. In France we have Pantone but as they are costly (like 10 $ each pen) I haven't been able to try them at the moment. Anyway, feel free to contribute with your own techniques & proxies

    Misc examples (already published in pimpage thread)
    http://www.gargote.com/upload/7/moon%20ring.jpg
    http://www.gargote.com/upload/7/mana%20drain%202.jpg
    http://www.gargote.com/upload/7/walk_stop.jpg
    http://www.gargote.com/upload/7/dark...20colossus.jpg

    And my latest (based on the cry by munch)



    Hope it helped
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    WoW, really impressive : D
    Would you be kind enough to translate your tutorial in french following the link below my signature ?
    By the way, are you french, canadian or from belgium ?
    Your Bazaars and Wokshops are really really sweet, but the Ancestral Recall ... omg, really fantastic !
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoOBaZ
    WoW, really impressive : D
    Would you be kind enough to translate your tutorial in french following the link below my signature ?
    By the way, are you french, canadian or from belgium ?
    Your Bazaars and Wokshops are really really sweet, but the Ancestral Recall ... omg, really fantastic !
    Thanks

    I translated and posted the tutorial. Btw I'm french from Paris-La Défense

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    Your proxies are the sexiest thing ever.
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    Amazing stuff. Thank you for posting. It's really cool to see step by step how the modifications are done.

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    A thousand thanks for posting this. I have been looking for a website that goes through this proceess and you just made my day. I will be makin' some of my own pimpage now.

    Again, thank you much!
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    My latest one with faber-castell artist pen (something similar to prismacolor I believe...seems to be permanent colored china ink)

    Also it is a little pimp : the roofs are made with a golden shiny pen


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    Wow, that Library looks really nice. Like it is 3-D! I love that Ancestral that looks like "The Scream" too!

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    im so jealous!! those seasonal workshops are the sickness
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    SCG should commission you to make proxies for the T16.
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    Amazing stuff!

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    I am thoroughly impressed. Is that a myr landshaper in the far left workshop? lol, why?
    the darksteel looks nice, but for relatively inexpensive cards, I recommend erasing and drawing on the actual card, so that they are playable in most tournaments without counting as proxies.

    also, you need to sign your cards!

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    I love the original art, but i have one complaint.


    Why do people keep illustrating the Library of Alexandria as an Arabian Palace or Mosque? The building was destroyed long before buildings of that nature existed.

    It would have been Phonecian with a lot of influence from Greco-Roman architecture. It would have not had Minurettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holiday Djinn
    Why do people keep illustrating the Library of Alexandria as an Arabian Palace or Mosque? The building was destroyed long before buildings of that nature existed.

    It would have been Phonecian with a lot of influence from Greco-Roman architecture. It would have not had Minurettes.
    bc you are the only person who knows that, and we want the card to be instantly recognizable to the general magic playing audience, who have the popular arab style image in their heads.

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    I concur with Vroman's explanation

    For the record I used my children's Aladdin's Palace to draw the LoA ^-^

    I am thoroughly impressed. Is that a myr landshaper in the far left workshop? lol, why?
    You're gonna think me silly but I wanted something (green + artifact) and there are not thousands of eligible cards

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    Two tries on moxen...Actually simple arts can be pretty difficult and it is the case for those two cristals. Without the correct colors (who has 5 variations of blue anyway oO) I had to use watercolors (which really show i HAVE to by prismacolors-the-full-200USD-set )

    Anyway as expected moxen don't leave a lot of room for creativity so it's quite boring to draw ...


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    ^ Nice.

    I just tried an ancestral recall, which ought to be finished up withing the hour (taking a break before finishing). It'll have been my first attempt, so be nice

    EDIT:
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    [img=http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3972/recallbadpic2iu3.th.jpg]

    Here it is. The quality of the pictures sucks, though. I have an older Olympus digital camera (C-4040ZOOM). Any thoughts on how to get these pics looking less...awful?
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    Change the focus/zoom/whatever?

    While your at it, could you post/pm pics of that tinker?
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    Impressive stuff!

    I see you're using nail polish remover and that seems like a terrifying idea to me since they typically contain 20% water and can straight-up ruin a card because of that. That's been my experience at least. I prefer to use acetone from a hardware store, sold as pure in a tin. It works like a charm!

    I could see this full-face technique being really nice for making Thallid counters and Angel tokens too!
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    Tried my hand this afternoon. What do you guys think?




    edit: you have to click the pictures. sorry

    The shop is a peeled foil, drawn in pen and Touch markers, and the lotus was done by erasing the main part of a card with a Sanford ink eraser and drawn in pencil/pencil crayons and outlined afterwards in pen. I wanted to try something a little different in terms of coloring devices and I think it came out nicely.

    Making your own proxies adds a personal element to your deck that can't really be obtained in any other way, I feel

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    Khronos officially king of proxies

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    lol @ you vroman, nj for the rubic vault!!!

    khronos, i must admit u are an awesome artits, your drwaings really own all, ive never seen somthing as sexy as that in a couple of years

    ill try my hand and post results
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    Thanks all

    @Phelp, your workshop is amazing...also i browsed your album, the 3 other workshop are very inspiring...no wonder a DSC can be manufactured in such a "wonky workshop"
    What is the story behind such a sick building ? an building magically created by Mishra from remnants of ruins ? A living house howling when something is being melted into its entrails ? ...

    @Vroman, father of all proxyteers, nice ritual you have here...Now I'm trying to guess how many manavaults you have in your collection

    Now guys we have a though mission : catch-up with the vintage thread

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    I think we need to have a proxy competition.
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